Question:
Are only republicans capable of lies and corruption?
Human Cattle 555-55-5555
2008-10-15 03:10:18 UTC
When in a bog, do the flowers not smell something fowl?
Nineteen answers:
Desi
2008-10-15 03:16:04 UTC
Anyone of low moral character is capable of lies and corruption. Political affiliation has nothing to do with it.
romer151
2008-10-15 03:57:39 UTC
Republicans are boy scouts compared to the Democrats. Just look at how corrupt the Democrats are in Obama's hometown. "Since 1971, 27 Chicago aldermen have faced a variety of corruption charges, said University of Illinois at Chicago political science professor Dick Simpson."



http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/June-2006/The-Ex-Files/



Below is a link to a pie chart that shows the breakdown for percentages of convicted Illinois government officials....most of whom were democrat. This is the type of politics that Obama will bring to the White House if he becomes president.
cryptoxmit
2008-10-15 03:20:52 UTC
Good question ... If the liberals would care to be HONEST ... they would know that either party is capable of of corruption (see Barney Frank / see Tom DeLay) and lies (see Barney Frank / George Bush).



But ... some people live in a dream world were they can accuse and convict with no validity ....
Anony Mouse
2008-10-15 03:18:27 UTC
Definately not, it's a universal human trait, and is something politicians do all the time because they have to make people happy. It's sort of a weakness of democracy.



That said, I think republicans are way better, or way worse, at it. I have noticed that they very often, in the spirit of Edward Bernais, intentionally misinform the public, in order to garner support. They do it constantly about their political opponents, they do it when it comes to religion and so on. Anything to garner support from a segment of the population which I am sad to say, are very poorly educated, that is, they may have specific education and professions, but their social and political IQ is pretty much in the toilet.
bluenaketat
2008-10-15 03:16:19 UTC
Only about as much as democrats and liberals and conservatives. I see lies and corruption coming from sides, the life of politics right? Its all about the smear campaign.
super chicken 619
2008-10-15 03:17:30 UTC
Naw. Anyone political is capable of being dirty. Sometimes you got to get down and dirty in the political world. I'm pretty sure that even my political heroes have done stuff they are not too proud of.
anonymous
2008-10-15 04:19:46 UTC
No they're not--but you'd think so to listen to their crooked corrupt

evil anti-American main opposition.



All government was looked upon askance and as nearly more dangerous

than the benefits hoped to come of it by the creators of this nation,

that's why they put so many hobbles on government--they probably

ought to have put more. They almost put one as the original

2nd Amendment which would have prohibited any congress from

enjoying the fruits of any increase in the salary of

congress they might pass into law.



Even back then they knew what type of corruption we were

likely going to be up against.+++ 9:00 cdt update: I will point out

here that their original thought to limit one congress from gaining

from their authorizing a pay-raise shows they had little thought

of the professional politician we have now--they couldn't imagine

a man taking so long from his only source of income and of increasing his wealth--his farm holdings, usually then. They expected

men to do a term of service in the government like they'll typically

do in the military. In fact, I can remember studying in school that

the early colonies required (or some) members of the community to do stints as things like director of roads or building commissioner--

it was something you sort of got drafted into, not something anyone

ever aspired to become, because once-again, it was cutting in to

their ability to provide for their family and their comfortable old age.



They had no idea of the depth of the depravity we suffer from

now, but they had the basic idea that it was a bad idea to let

the government corrupt itself. Probably the argument for not

including that provision then (more recently become law) is that

it would be superfluous--nobody would be able to stick around

to receive the raise they'd voted themselves because of the above

considerations.++++







It's good to remember no matter what our party preference that

these people are running to be in the government, and if

they are in the government we really have an adversarial

relationship--or we must assume one.



It seems to me the corruption of the repugnicans tends to be

in favor of our own defense contract industries and essential

strategic industries. The corruption we saw in the last

demonrat admonistration involved things like

suitcases full of cash contributions alleged to be individual

legal cash contributions from individuals and small industries

in the far east but which really turned out to be all from one

single source--the crypto-commie industrialists of the PRC.



During that period the domestic and high-quality foreign gun

industries came under heavy attack from the last demonrat

administration yet the chi-coms appeared to be free to ship

as many container-loads of their cheap knock-off "thumb-hole"

SKS assault rifles and tons of their crappy ammunition in here.



There's a economic motive there, and that's plain enough, but

what about other motives? Remember, these are commies folks,

who are not supposed to be moved by profit-and-loss.



Is it that they wanted a lessening of the quality of small-arms

they'd be up against if they ever tried to colonize North America

and their dirty-deeds-done-dirt-cheap sleeper in our highest

office was helping them out with that little project?



++++And also let us not forget the extent to which William Jefferson

Blythe was willing to sacrifice or risk sacrificing his own freedom and the lives of innocents in Texas when confronting individuals who had as a significant source of income for their religious cult the business of re-barreling civilian small-arms using the barrels gotten out of sold-for-scrap machine guns which had been rendered inoperable by torching their recievers. Once again, this is something which would keep high-quality/durable small-arms in the civilian population, not cheap made-to-fall-apart chi-com crap he was allowing to be imported by the container-load++++





Well, I can't take the chance on another one. Bro'bama's advocates

constantly emphasize the importance of what other societies

want us to do and how we should worry about this until

we get an ulcer.



Doing so to the extent they advocate will inevitably give our nation

an ulcer--a bleeding ulcer. I say give the rest of the world an ulcer

worrying about what we think of them.



So there are bogs and then there are BOGS.



Bro'bama has an african-arab familial connection. The PRC is penetrating

that market heavily and looking to gain exclusive access to it's rich natural resources in return.



There is corruption more in our own national interests and corruption less in our own national interests, and it seems to me repugnican corrpution tends to be more in our own national interests, at least.
anonymous
2008-10-15 03:22:32 UTC
Lies and corruption existed in the republicans deregulation policies.
CC
2008-10-15 03:27:33 UTC
Anyone can be capable of lies. Have you ever told a lie? When you point one finger, guess what? You have 3 other fingers pointing back at yourself.



That being said, what about your wonderful Obama???



He's lieing about all his ties and associations, you might want to open up your eyes and look at the truth before you go around blaspheming other people.



Obama won't even produce a birth certificate and other documents to show he is a US citizen, he produced a fake one and now has a lawsuit against him to produce these documents and he is fighting it. Hummm, I wonder what he has to hide, don't you?



http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/



Some of Obama’s Friends and Partners:



Black Panther Lawyer, college professor and fanatic racists Muslim Demagogue Khalid al Mansour (aka Donald Warren) He helped Obama get admitted to Harvard Law School.



Syrian born real estate developer, slumlord and convicted briber Antion (Tony) Resko (Obama’s biggest campaign donor) Obama also represented slumlord as laywer.



Journalist , poet, jazz critic, & Communist Party USA Member Frank Marshal Davis (Young Obama’s Beloved Mentor Frank)



College Professor and Terrorist Bomber of the Pentagon and US Capital, Bill Ayers (He launched Obama’s first campaign in his living room & ran 2 non profit foundations with Obama) He elected Obama to give the foundations money to radicalize education. Obama did this for 5 years!



Rev Wright – Obama went to his church for 20 years!



Muslim leader Louis Farrakhan who is calling Obama the Messiah. Obama has not even spoke out against this so I guess he believes he is messiah too.



Odinga the genocidal leader in Kenya who Obama campaigned for and used the same slogan of "change" and Yes we can" that he uses here. After Odinga lost the election Odinga’s supporters went on a rampage—burning Kikuyu homes and businesses, (“Ethnic Cleansing in Luoland” The Economist 2/7/2008) raping Kikuyu women, and murdering everyone in their path—including at least 50 Christian Kikuyu woman & children who had sought refuge in a church. They burned them alive.



http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/senator-barack-obama-in-kenya-obama-and-odinga-the-true-story/



Acorn - He taught classes there, was their lawyer and recently donated $830K to them, and they are the ones who are creating all this voter fraud again! And they are behind the risky loans which caused our economic crisis.



Fanny May and Freddy Mac - A review of Federal Election Commission records back to 1989 reveals Obama in his three complete years in the Senate is the second largest recipient of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae campaign contributions, behind only Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., the powerful chairman of the Senate banking committee.



According to OpenSecrets.com, from 1989 to 2008, Dodd received $165,400 in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac campaign contributions, including contributions from PACs and individuals, followed by Obama, who received $126,349 in such contributions since being elected to the Senate in 2004.



In contrast, McCain warned of the coming mortgage crisis as he pressed in 2005 for regulatory reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

And Congress which is mostly Democrat stopped it.
anonymous
2008-10-15 03:20:06 UTC
Richard Nixon anyone?



Of course Republicans are the most corrupt bunch.
Liberal Muzzie
2008-10-15 03:19:50 UTC
lies what lies?? can you give specifics ? if that was the case we would be up in our ears with lawsuits and impeachment proceedings. Who is spreading the lies here?



Go ahead and vote for a neolib who will convert our country into a 3rd world religion.
princessoreo60618
2008-10-15 03:23:21 UTC
all political leaders are liars and are corrupt doesnt matter which side they are on.
bassdoc
2008-10-15 03:21:14 UTC
Obviously not, but they just have a special talent at it lately.
anonymous
2008-10-15 03:19:57 UTC
Well now now now you are finally coming around.
anonymous
2008-10-15 03:15:17 UTC
No, it's a bi-partisan effort. Most politicians are lawyers - what do you expect?
nebula
2008-10-15 03:19:43 UTC
no, all politicians lie.
anonymous
2008-10-15 03:14:53 UTC
of course not....so are conservatives
  
2008-10-15 03:14:03 UTC
No. They're just waaaaay better at it.
koalatcomics
2008-10-15 03:19:20 UTC
lmfao..is this a serious question. the answer isnt just no..its GOD NO. it seems to me, when under fire,.clinton did a fine job of what youve stated.....



SET



- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance

- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*

- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation

- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify

- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly

- First president sued for sexual harassment.

- Second president accused of rape**

- First first lady to come under criminal investigation

- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case

- First president to establish a legal defense fund.

- First president to be held in contempt of court

- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions

- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad

- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court



* According to our best information, 40 government officials were indicted or convicted in the wake of Watergate. A reader computes that there was a total of 31 Reagan era convictions, including 14 because of Iran-Contra and 16 in the Department of Housing & Urban Development scandal. 47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned. A key difference between the Clinton story and earlier ones was the number of criminals with whom he was associated before entering the White House.



Using a far looser standard that included resignations, David R. Simon and D. Stanley Eitzen in Elite Deviance, say that 138 appointees of the Reagan administration either resigned under an ethical cloud or were criminally indicted. Curiously Haynes Johnson uses the same figure but with a different standard in "Sleep-Walking Through History: America in the Reagan Years: "By the end of his term, 138 administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."



**Selene Walter accused Ronald Reagan of rape 39 years after the alleged assault in the 1950s. No further information is available on this case. The Juanita Broaddrick case involving Bill Clinton was investigated by the congressional impeachment counsel. According to counsel David Shippers those conducting the interview "have assured me that she is the most credible witness that either one of them have ever talked to"



STARR-RAY INVESTIGATION



- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 14

- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5

- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4

- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3



CRIME STATS



- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47

- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33

- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61

- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122



SMALTZ INVESTIGATION



- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15

- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6

- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million

- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million



CAMPAIGN FINANCE INVESTIGATION



- As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.

- According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign.

-James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.



CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS WERE OBTAINED



Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.



HISTORICAL CONTEXT



- Number of independent counsel inquiries since the 1978 l

law was passed: 19

- Number that have produced indictments: 7

- Number that produced more convictions than the Starr investigation: 1

- Median length of investigations that led to convictions: 44 months

- Length of Starr-Ray investigation: 69 months.

- Total cost of the Starr investigation (3/00) $52 million

- Total cost of the Iran-Contra investigation: $48.5 million

- Total cost to taxpayers of the Madison Guarantee failure: $73 million



OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS AND CONGRESS, OR REPORTED IN THE MEDIA



Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.



ARKANSAS ALTZHEIMER'S



Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn't remember, didn't know, or something similar.



Bill Kennedy 116

Harold Ickes 148

Ricki Seidman 160

Bruce Lindsey 161

Bill Burton 191

Mark Gearan 221

Mack McLarty 233

Neil Egglseston 250

Hillary Clinton 250

John Podesta 264

Jennifer O'Connor 343

Dwight Holton 348

Patsy Thomasson 420

Jeff Eller 697



FROM THE WASHINGTON TIMES: In the portions of President Clinton's Jan. 17 deposition that have been made public in the Paula Jones case, his memory failed him 267 times. This is a list of his answers and how many times he gave each one.



I don't remember - 71

I don't know - 62

I'm not sure - 17

I have no idea - 10

I don't believe so - 9

I don't recall - 8

I don't think so - 8

I don't have any specific recollection - 6

I have no recollection - 4

Not to my knowledge - 4

I just don't remember - 4

I don't believe - 4

I have no specific recollection - 3

I might have - 3

I don't have any recollection of that - 2 I don't have a specific memory - 2

I don't have any memory of that - 2

I just can't say - 2

I have no direct knowledge of that - 2

I don't have any idea - 2

Not that I recall - 2

I don't believe I did - 2

I can't remember - 2

I can't say - 2

I do not remember doing so - 2

Not that I remember - 2

I'm not aware - 1

I honestly don't know - 1

I don't believe that I did - 1

I'm fairly sure - 1

I have no other recollection - 1

I'm not positive - 1

I certainly don't think so - 1

I don't really remember - 1

I would have no way of remembering that - 1

That's what I believe happened - 1

To my knowledge, no - 1

To the best of my knowledge - 1

To the best of my memory - 1

I honestly don't recall - 1

I honestly don't remember - 1

That's all I know - 1

I don't have an independent recollection of that - 1

I don't actually have an independent memory of that - 1

As far as I know - 1

I don't believe I ever did that - 1

That's all I know about that - 1

I'm just not sure - 1

Nothing that I remember - 1

I simply don't know - 1

I would have no idea - 1

I don't know anything about that - 1

I don't have any direct knowledge of that - 1

I just don't know - 1

I really don't know - 1

I can't deny that, I just -- I have no memory of that at all - 1



ARKANSAS SUDDEN DEATH SYNDROME



- Number of persons in the Clinton machine orbit who are alleged to have committed suicide: 9

- Number known to have been murdered: 12

- Number who died in plane crashes: 6

- Number who died in single car automobile accidents: 3

- Number of one-person sking fatalities: 1

- Number of key witnesses who have died of heart attacks while in fed


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