Question:
Should the Republican motto be "The Party of Torture. And Proud of it!"?
threegooofs
2009-08-31 09:09:30 UTC
Thats sure what it sounds like. The issue to them is not whether torture is right or wrong... its "did it work?".

What a sad chapter in this country's history. And another nail in the conservatives coffin.
29 answers:
mark h
2009-08-31 09:18:16 UTC
It's war.



We didn't like dropping nuclear bombs on women and children in Japan. It was war.



We didn't enjoy leveling entire cities in Germany. It was war.



We didn't like putting Japanese Americans in internment camps, it was war.



Looking for morality in warfare is like looking for nutrition in crap, there is probably some there, but it would be better to keep your mind on how to dispose of crap.



In war, you do what ever it takes to win, or you give in to tyranny. Those are the options. That's life, get over it folks.



Next thing we know they'll be complaining that Washington was immoral to cross the Delaware on Christmas.



Hope that helps.
lienot
2009-08-31 12:54:22 UTC
really an ignorant question and assumption. We DID NOT TORTURE but did have enhanced interrogation. All the prisoners survived what we did was play mind games again a hard proposition for you to understand. In war which like it or not we are in you KILL people and BREAK things. We allowed the liberal community to conduct the Viet Nam war and look at the results.
Patrick B
2009-08-31 11:25:49 UTC
I have no problem with our country using torture (yes idiots waterboarding is torture), as long as we are willing to stop trying to fix every other country in the world. We can't claim moral superiority when we're willing to do unscrupolous things to get the job done.
JEFF S
2009-08-31 11:06:57 UTC
Were you tortured by your parents maybe? I don't think that you really know what torture is. Waterboarding isn't even torture it is just very annoying. I can think of much worse ways to torture people that would really hurt a lot.
anonymous
2009-08-31 10:00:18 UTC
I am proud to be a part of a party that actually does something to protect the country rather than run around and apologize to all our enemies for being against them. For making our enemies the first on our agenda and still have them wanting to blow us up. What took place was nothing compared to what would happen to us!
anonymous
2009-08-31 10:54:31 UTC
I am opposed to torture; I am in favor of waterboarding terrorists who might have timely information that can save American lives.
anonymous
2009-08-31 10:45:28 UTC
The book according to Cheney
?
2009-08-31 09:22:33 UTC
I respectfully disagree.



I feel that this particular motto would apply to both parties, Republicans and Democrats alike.



They have been torturing the American public for decades, with their insane orgy of spending, their taxation to benefit their cronies and special interests, and their monumental waste of the wealth of America.



It's such a shame that politics have become a den of thieves, liars and cheats in this country.
Deb M
2009-08-31 09:46:28 UTC
That fits...The Grand Opposition Party has definitely sunk to a low level. But what do you expect when Cheney said he was NOT part of the government...and refused to release the energy talks to GSA in 2001. He should have put in jail for his stupidity.
Sam
2009-08-31 11:28:29 UTC
The party of family values has become anything but family values.
?
2009-08-31 10:26:45 UTC
More like the party of brilliant minds feeding, and dependent on shallow minds!
anonymous
2009-08-31 13:21:52 UTC
Because of that, you are still alive and free to write your post.
John
2009-08-31 09:19:18 UTC
Their motto is: Country first.



Did you forget that we went to war because the U.S was attacked by terrorists?



Also, you need to define torture?



If torturing a war criminal, following Geneva convention guidelines, keeps the soldiers safe and the U.S citizens safe, than torture should be used.



Do those opposed to "torture" of war criminals realize that the terrorists have captured, tortured and beheaded civilians?



If not, please review the facts of the enemy.



Why would any U.S. citizen object to torturing war criminal to prevent another 9/11?
pachl@sbcglobal.net
2009-08-31 09:19:41 UTC
I have a challenge for you.



Here is my logic, and if you disagree, then openly debate me on this. Just add details to your question.



What you consider "torture" is light treatment compared to the hell hole conditions these people would receive in their own countries. We have engaged in water boarding, but this leaves no lasting damage. Some of what has been referred to as "torture" is no different than a frat house hazing (I know, I've been there). We are treating these prisoners as one must necessarily treat terrorists. If they don't fight on behalf of a recognizable government, they should not qualify for Geneva Convention protection.



In stark contrast, our soldiers are fighting as if they had one hand tied behind their backs. Terrorists can kill at will. Soldiers are often instructed not to fire at all. They are like sitting ducks. Soldiers can't bomb an apartment building in the hopes of killing a few people they want to target on the third floor. Our soldiers are fighting honorably, taking great personal risk to avoid injuring civilians. The insurgents and the terrorists feel no compulsion to protect the non-combatents. Women, children, the elderly, the wounded... they're all fair targets for the insurgents. Hence, they do not deserve the rights a regular soldier would receive, who was fighting on behalf of his country.



Some people claim torture does not work. Well, as a matter of fact, it does.



However, we don't "torture" in the violent way the armpit countries do. We sometimes use methods of extreme discomfort, such as not allowing them to sleep, or forcing them to stand in the same position hour after hour. Anyone who has rushed a fraternity in college has gone through something just as bad.



We don't beat people and break their bones like Saddam did. We don't rape their women in front of the suspect like in the armpit countries. We use intelligent methods proven to elicit results.



The best of these by far is waterboarding. It cannot harm the subject. He has the sensation of drowning but in fact cannot drown. Since there is no permanent damage (other than having scared the beJesus out of him... or should I say, scared the beAllah out of him), he does not have to go through life with some nagging disability. Unlike the third world cultures, we did not yank his shoulders out of their sockets, beat his feet with until they are flat, or senselessly inflict pain.



Waterboarding is great because the subject does not have to be worried about reprisals from his people for having divulged information. People subjected to waterboarding WILL talk. They say even the toughest guy won't last 30 seconds. It is truly a frightening sensation to feel like you are drowning.



Afterwards, they are very compliant.



Since everyone quickly accedes, the terrorist does not have to be worried that his people will kill him for having given up vital information. They know full well that resistance is futile. Hence, it is really a kindness to the terrorist. He can speak with a clear conscience and not worry about future consequences back home. He leaves the interrogation a man with no physical damage and no prospect of reprisals from his comrades.



Sounds like a great deal to me.



Last word on this: a lot of people claim that torture encourages people to just say anything to stop the torture. However, when intelligent methods of extracting information are used, the information given can be quickly compared with what other terrorists have said. If the suspect starts giving false information, the threat of undergoing another session of waterboarding is so psychologically terrifying that the suspect may burst into tears, lose all inhibitions, and start "singing like a bird". He will tell the interrogators what they want to know.



And the best part is, he is not worse off afterwards, and many lives can be saved.

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EDIT: So far, you haven't refuted one thing I've said. Perhaps you can not.



Think about this, and be serious: imagine you are responsible for keeping the U.S. safe from attack and espionage. But every single...EVERY SINGLE step you take is blocked by "do gooder" Libbys. You try to intercept messages and someone says you can't. You strive to have all the intelligence agencies pool information and someone uses legal trickery to say that is somehow not permissible. No matter what you do, someone has an objection to it.



How would you possibly prevail? Easy answer: you couldn't. Every potential avenue of success is blocked. You would fail, and possibly millions would die.



Once again, I CHALLENGE you to debate me on this.... unless you're scared, in which case you could just delete this question.
SMP
2009-08-31 09:22:30 UTC
Fair enough, and the Dem motto should be let's bring up something else because too much focus is on the health care debacle and the 9 trillion dollar debt.
Sassy One
2009-08-31 09:29:53 UTC
For a group of people who claim that Ronald Reagan was their best president, they certainly don't know the facts, as he hated torture and considered it a war crime, and not the American way.
O-baa-ma
2009-08-31 09:18:53 UTC
Only if the Democrats motto will be:



"Attacked 8 times by Al-Qaeda during the Clinton Administration and did nothing about it."



If you asked me which I'd choose, I'd rather have a President dealing with the ******* than not.
anonymous
2009-08-31 09:16:04 UTC
What's sad is the Democratic party has the motto of Screw the productive, help the gays and druggies and lets trash the economy.
Baroccoli
2009-08-31 09:14:54 UTC
From what you just said about us wondering whether it worked or not, sounds Like Republican motto should be "protect American citizens at all costs".
anonymous
2009-08-31 09:14:20 UTC
What's sad is that even John McCain, a torture victim in Vietnam, is waffling over the issue. He of all people should realize that torture is a war crime.
mn_ktx
2009-08-31 09:13:34 UTC
If said torture were to ensure that you, a fellow citizen were to remain alive and free, then my answer is a resounding yes.



Then again, who can argue with someone that thinks that it is okay for an unborn child to have its brains sucked out but it's ungodly to think of putting a convicted murderer to death.



That being said, I'm not a Frenchie and regardless of your stance, I'll fight to the death to protect you even though I know you won't appreciate it.
Josh T
2009-08-31 09:18:44 UTC
If torturing terrorist save your life, then so be it. You couldn't say the same for me, could you?
anonymous
2009-08-31 09:14:39 UTC
Hussein 0bama is hammering plenty of nails in the democraps coffin, I don't think we have anything to worry about!
anonymous
2009-08-31 09:14:19 UTC
I'm not a Republican and I'm not sure that I think scaring the crap out of people constitutes torture.
Glenda B.
2009-08-31 09:14:11 UTC
But torture does NOT work, dear. So they don't even have THAT lame excuse to support torture.



It is a matter of public record that not ONE teensy bit of information has EVER been obtained from torture that we did not already have.



There is no "reason" to support torture other than being sadistic, perverted, twisted.
strata
2009-08-31 10:05:49 UTC
what can we expect from a member of "THE DEFEATOCRAT PARTY"?
Danielle
2009-08-31 09:14:16 UTC
What torture? Waterboarding is not torture. I went through worse things when I was trying to get into my sorority. Get over yourselves.
ATTENTION: Libs Suck That Is All
2009-08-31 09:12:57 UTC
Uh, no that should not be the Republican motto.
anonymous
2009-08-31 09:14:15 UTC
should the democrat motto be

i am a big pussy who want the government to make decisions for me


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